ripple in Butterworth filter created by 'butter' (was "RE: 'long double' support ?")

[Sergei Steshenko]

--- "Schirmacher, Rolf" <Rolf.Schirmacher at MuellerBBM.de> wrote:

> 
> Perhaps you might give more details on the package / function you encouter
> the issue with and/or your actual problem as the root cause and/or best
> solution / workaround might be different to a "brute force" approach of
> increasing precision?
> 
> Rolf
> 

Hello All,

the problem I had was with Butterworth filter created by 'butter'.

The problem was/is ripple in the passband - there can be no ripple anywhere because
of the definition of Butterworth filter.

The problem is not specific to 'octave' - a couple of years ago I found the same problem in
'scilab'.

Attached is a script which demonstrates the problem.

The script also demonstrates how to avoid the problem using the

"
[z,p,g] = butter(...)
   return filter as zero-pole-gain rather than coefficients of the
   numerator and denominator polynomials.
"

form of 'butter' - I think this should be THE recommended way to use the function.

With

zorder = 4

the ripple is about 0.006; with

zorder = 5

or higher the filter becomes completely incoherent - just try to run the script.


I suggest to copy-paste the script into documentation - this will hopefully help others
to avoid the trap. And it's a usage example which isn't in the documentation yet

Thanks,
  Sergei.

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